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you

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so we now have fast forwarded about what

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has it been nine ten weeks so we're back

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again it's the end of summer

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Peter amber thanks for joining me thanks

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for having us Ross yeah so let me just

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kind of open it up to both of you like

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give me like your general impression of

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the internship so thinking back ten

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weeks ago to today like how has it lined

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up with your expectations how do you

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feel about it just anything and

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everything so for me I think that it

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really exceeded my expectations

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a lot of times internships for

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undergraduate students you don't get a

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lot of opportunity to do hands-on or

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meaningful or real-life projects and I

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got the opportunity to do that the

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entire summer and it was amazing so

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working on actual like nasa development

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projects yes

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as a graduate undergraduate student

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exactly pretty cool it's not really all

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that common so outside of us so Peter

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give me your take how's the summer been

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yeah I would kind of just kind of

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piggyback on that yeah it was really

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cool to be able to meet a lot of think

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that was my favorite part was like

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meeting a lot of the full-time you know

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scientists engineers and technicians

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that was really cool and yeah yeah for

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me yeah that was my favorite part and I

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exceed I kind of expected it to be a lot

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of fun but I didn't really know how real

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it would be yeah it was it definitely

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exceeded my expectations yeah so what's

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that like getting to meet the people who

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this is their day job like how's that

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experience like are they appreciative

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are they engaging like how would you

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kind of rate the people around you in in

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the in this world in my experience I say

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that they're all very engaging I think

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where I work in swap works

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everybody's there's a really fast-paced

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and everybody's moving and working and

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you know there's always something to do

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and I really appreciate that and they're

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always willing to bring the interns and

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to help even if it's something small

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like help us move this so we can move

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something else in this place all the way

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down to you know can you help me you

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know brainstorm key helped me design

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through throw some things into CAD you

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know I really appreciate that yeah I

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think that it comes might come from them

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maybe being in our shoes at one point so

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they can can't they see like hey how

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we're feeling you know we might not know

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what to do sometimes but yeah they were

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always kind of willing to help and just

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hear us out which I was I was a little

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thrown off by but very like very

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appreciative of yeah good that was

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awesome Peter the most important

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question you talked about when we were

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here last time about being an Eagle

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Scout that pay off the summer like were

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you were you prepared were you ready I

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felt fairly prepared um definitely at

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times I was not prepared I had got

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thrown into a position where I had to

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write a little bit of software and I

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hasn't hadn't really done a whole lot of

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that but I had to work with a software

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engineer which was actually really cool

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and I was not really prepared for that

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but yeah definitely the Boy Scouts

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definitely that experience definitely

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helped out here yeah so you actually

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kind of got tossed into an

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interdisciplinary role where you were

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doing multiple things yeah yep so yeah I

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got to work with I got to work with some

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mechanical Hardware some electrical

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hardware and yeah some software at all

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at the same time which is I mean yeah it

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was in swampers to where amber was and

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it's a little fast-paced but that's kind

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of think the way it should be we should

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kind of be kept busy and you know honor

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you know honor toe is all the time yeah

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yeah I hope people are hearing that when

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we say busy we don't mean things like

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getting coffee or running errands just

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like writing software and doing CAD so

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it's a we pride ourselves on on getting

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everything we can from you and amber I

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know you talked about thinking that your

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experience working on some robotic

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systems would come in handy this summer

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were you able to put those skills in

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that experience to practice oh

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absolutely

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a lot of the work that I did and in

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school with the project team that I

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worked on is all very similar to allow

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the works I did here swamp works

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especially because they're both for

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robotic Rovers which is really cool and

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a lot of the cattle I learned came in

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really really handy so kind of sum up

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for me for both of you

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what did you accomplish this summer like

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do you have something that you you

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finished or you can look back and say

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like I did that like that happened

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because of me being here so for me we

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were working on this co2 freezer project

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to try to freeze carbon dioxide out of

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Martian atmosphere and I was expected

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there the planets have the system kind

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of already built and then just test it

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but you know things kind of are a little

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slow here sometimes which can happen and

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so we were kind of working on bidding

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getting it all put together and then

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yeah we did run a couple tests and yeah

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we proved in turns produced an abstract

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and that was kind of our deliverable but

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yeah we were doing a little hands-on

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things here and there so that was kind

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of what we brought to the table I feel

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like most of the interns pretty much did

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that kind of thing I think yeah so the

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project that I did was to create

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hardware for a reduced gravity flight

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and we did it and the timetable for that

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was very very stringent honestly it was

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so gratifying once we finished it and we

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got it done on time and it worked and

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everything and the flight for that was

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supposed to take place about two or

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three weeks ago but I got pushed back to

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November but I finish it on time hey

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listen that's I mean that's really all

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you can do right you got to do your

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piece and make sure it's done well and

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done on time so tell me about your

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perspective on this internship and kind

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of the real-world experience versus

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school like does it change the way that

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you view school does it change kind of

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your focus going back to school what's

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that like I think that going back to

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school since this is my last year and

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I'm going to start applying you know for

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full-time jobs it's helped me a lot with

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my focus on what I want out of you know

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the next year the next two years of my

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life and where I want to be once I do

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step into a real career position I think

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before this internship a lot of what I

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did in school was obviously focused on

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coursework whereas this was more of a

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hands-on real-world experience so I now

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have like the comparison which is

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something I didn't have

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and school felt very definite it felt

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like this is something I'm gonna be

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doing it forever mainly because I have

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been doing it for all of my interesting

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yeah yeah so so what's that comparison

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like you've said that like you're kind

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of have those to compare now so how do

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you view each like and how do they work

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together I think that a lot of what I've

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learned in school has helped me pick up

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tools to apply to you know a full-time

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position and it's actually a lot easier

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so being able to apply what I've learned

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in school here was fairly easy but the

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other way around it always seems really

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mainly because before I didn't have that

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I didn't have that to compare to yeah

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that make sense yeah make sense so let

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me pry a little bit you kind of said you

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now have a picture for the next couple

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years for you so what is the next couple

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years hold for you what's the plan so my

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personal plan for the next couple of

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years if I can't I'd like to work at

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NASA but if I can't work at NASA or you

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know if it's just kind of the process is

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really long and it's kind of tedious if

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not I see myself in a full-time position

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possibly for an aerospace company if not

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for a marine company and I'd like to be

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working on my master's great and and I'm

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so NASA we're more than just the Kennedy

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Space Center we have 10 centers across

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the country so have you looked at where

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do your personal goals and your personal

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interests line up across the NASA

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centers because obviously there's a lot

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of work going on other than just swamp

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works yeah it's funny you asked that a

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lot of visitors from Johnson actually

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came and they visited our lab and they

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have lots of projects that they like to

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do in collaboration with swamp works so

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say if I weren't able to land a swamp

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works I think John's gonna be a good

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place they do lots of work with is are

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you as well and JPL cool yeah good spots

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for sure yeah there's no there's no

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wrong answer they're just curious your

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thoughts oh yeah I can get correct the

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whole school yeah tell me about it yeah

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like going like when you're in school

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you kind of have like a lot of things

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going on at once and I think when we're

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here we kind of get to be able to focus

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on you know maybe just one or two or

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three different things so I think be

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having an experience of being kind of

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like really stressed out over like a lot

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of different things going through that

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experience and getting through that then

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going to you know maybe one or two

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projects where you can kind of focus all

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your time on that I think that that's

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kind of how school has paid off for me

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and I think some of the other interns

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might agree with me there too yeah yeah

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um what's the next thing well so kind of

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thinking about the future Peter was the

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kind of the next question thinking about

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you like how does this experience kind

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of how does that orient your mind as far

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as things you're thinking about things

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you're looking at because working on

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Martian vehicles is not for everybody

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like we definitely know that

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so certainly like there's no requirement

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to do that with your career but just

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curious like what are you thinking about

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now yeah I think it's really cool how

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NASA works like there's a lot of pieces

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to like a big puzzle like you're saying

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over across different like ten different

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NASA centers they're all working on

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different things whether it's biology

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engineering or science whatever but I

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really like what's going on here at

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Kennedy with eius are you trying to make

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and develop technologies to create

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resources out at the Moon or Mars

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without having to bring it from Earth so

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I think that's really what I'm kind of

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interested in and that's kind of what's

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going on here at Kennedy and a little

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bit at Johnson and a little bit at Ames

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in California and a little bit of Glenn

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like it's happening yeah a little a

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little bit but that's kind of the main

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focus here is what I've kind of been

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seeing and yeah I would like to come

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back here if possible that's that would

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be kind of my dream and I'm gonna keep

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it flying for you know the nificent

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pathways yeah so that that's kind of

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what I'll be up to but I would like to

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go back home yeah for those that may not

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know NIF's is a term NASA intern

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fellowship and scholarship we that's

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kind of our blanket internship

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opportunities you can find those online

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and then you the pathways program is

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actually it's formerly called a co-op

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it's kind of long term internship you

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can find that more about that on

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usajobs.gov

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but getting back to our topic at hand

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you both kind of alluded to the idea

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that school feels harder than the

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internship is that it is that a fair

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assessment of what you both said

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absolutely I think so yeah I feel like

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in school um you don't really have a lot

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of time to prepare for problems that are

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a little bit challenging and can I get

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thrown and I mean it's kind of the same

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thing here too but you get a little more

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time ahead of time you know you're

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applying you're thinking about the

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project for a while and you're getting a

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little more prepared so yeah I

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definitely think that's the case for me

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if those like school kind of pulls you

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in lots of different directions and it's

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a lot more demanding and to me it just

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seems a bit more tedious maybe that's a

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better word it's a bit more tedious

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whereas in a real world setting

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everything's a bit more fluid you know

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you work you do your job you complete

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your projects sometimes you don't

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sometimes they get moved sometimes they

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get cancelled that's you know that's

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that's like the Besta theme here but um

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it's a lot less it's a lot less tedious

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in real school yeah and I think you're

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both kind of hopefully people hear in

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your voice that it's a little bit hard

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to articulate which I think makes sense

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it's a very different thing to be in

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school versus here and obviously nobody

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here is gonna claim that everything we

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do is easy yeah but when you kind of

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like you've said you kind of break it

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down into your project your piece of the

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puzzle and then you get to focus on that

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which is really really great so I want

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to kind of open it up to you and ask you

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about like memorable experiences because

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obviously like we talked about like the

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day-to-day work about things that you've

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done but as you leave this place what

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are the things that will stick out that

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you'll tell friends about that you'll

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remember for a long time what are those

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moments like I have three actually okay

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let's go quickly okay really I got to

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drive the robot which was the coolest

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thing ever which robot there's a bunch

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of robots razor razor that's right so if

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you're interested look it up

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Ras SOR it's a pretty cool robot and

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will be a lunar excavator someday we're

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hoping

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but I got to see two launches which were

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amazing and I finished my project on

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time so and this will be a question for

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both of you because you both got to see

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some launches how can you describe like

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the difference in watching a launch on

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TV versus being here in person like can

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you put words to that no it's more

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sensory like it's just so much better

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it's louder it's cooler you can see it

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all the way through right it's so bright

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it's a night launch there see at night

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launch and a morning lot or a daytime

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launch and they're like they're so cool

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yeah though the Falcon Heavy that was

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that night when it lit up it kind of

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turned the sky like it's like any Sun

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yeah it was it was really really crazy

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that was so cool

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and then the landings the lanes are very

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loud yeah yeah that was after they land

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it takes I don't know like your second

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or minute some second couple minutes and

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then the other sonic movement then

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that's really loud yeah I think my

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favorite part is kind of watching it up

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it curve as it gets like to like optimal

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height as opposed arcing over at some

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point yeah that's awesome so and

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congrats on getting a project on time

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amber that's a fantastic I'm glad to

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hear that

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alright so Peter how about you things

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that are memorable

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one of my favorite moments was it was

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just yesterday we were in the cryogenics

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test lab where we did a lot of work and

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yeah we were kind of playing with liquid

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nitrogen a little bit we say the term

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playing very easily safely everything is

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very safe yeah everything was under

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control yeah yeah we made some ice cream

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kind of like dippin dots we were kind of

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freezing some things and kind of

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breaking them a little and yeah that was

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a lot of fun um yeah it was just I

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really liked getting together with all

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the interns whenever we kind of get

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together for whether it be pictures or

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just doing kind of there was a couple

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team bonding things I really liked

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getting together like that kind of like

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in a class or you know a team yeah I

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love that so those were a couple of mine

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so last question for you does that kind

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of add to the experience just kind of

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like that almost like a camaraderie I'm

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among interns that you know that you all

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are here kind of doing the same thing at

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the same time oh absolutely I just

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celebrated a birthday and happy birthday

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thank you and so many interns came all

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the way to Orlando to celebrate with me

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because that's where I was and some of

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them even drove back the same night some

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of them you know we all got hotel rooms

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I haven't done them very long and they

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were all willing to come and help me

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have a great time but I really

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appreciate that there's lots of

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camaraderie I mean all the interns yeah

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yeah that's my favorite part kind of

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feeling like you're part of something

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we're all here kind of for the same goal

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you know we're working to try to get the

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space and you know we have our own

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little roles here and there and they're

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all different you know but yeah that's

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the best part

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awesome well amber Peter best of luck to

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you both thank you for being here and

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look forward to seeing you again out

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there being successful someday hopefully

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as a co-worker here at the Kennedy Space

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Center thank you thank you very much I'm

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Joshua Santora and that's our show

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thanks for stopping by the rocket range

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and special thanks to our guests

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NASA interns amber George and Peter

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Henson to find out more about NASA

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